Island Man

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  I'm not the only one who sees the similarity am I?

  by NikL in

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  i've been thinking this for some time.

  we all know what this picture is.... .

  well, this is dachau concentration camp.... .

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  Island Man

  I know what you mean. The new headquarters actually does kind of look like a modern prison.
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  Sanctimonious, "WE'RE Thankful EVERY day."

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thanksgiving is really just a nice, traditional, family-oriented day set aside on a national level.

  no babylon the great.

  give me a break with the holier than thou, "we don't celebrate thanksgiving.

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  millie210: If a special day of remembrance is wrong, then why go on and on about Memorial?

  Exactly the point I was about to make! The JW religion is fraught with inconsistency and hypocrisy.
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  Where Does The Governing Body Stand On "Obeying The Superior Authorities" @ Romans Something Or Other?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  where do they stand of the issue obeying the governments even though they publicly teach that all governments are under satanic control and doomed to destruction by their jehovah deity.. and have they considered this scripture on their past and currant policies of not reporting any fellonies to the superior authority their elders have had to handle judicially and keep it confidential.

  and if they have taken into consideration what misimprisonment of a fellony is:.

  https://www.google.com/search?q=false+imprinonment&rlz=1c1chzl_enus716us717&oq=false+imprinonment&aqs=chrome..69i57.28245j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=utf-8#q=misimprisonment+of+a+felony.

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  Island Man

  Their position is: Obey the superior authorities to the extent that doing so does not conflict with the requirements of GOD (Guardians Of Doctrine). So obeying Watchtower policy always takes precedence over obeying the secular authorities.
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  Did the Fall of the Berlin Wall fulfill Bible Prophecy ?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  any takers?

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  Island Man

  I bet it's mentioned as minorly/partly fulfilling a prophecy (along with other things) somewhere in Watchtower's Pay Attention To Daniel's Prophecy book in their speculations about the details of the saga between the king of the north and the king of the south. If Watchtower is to be believed then just about every major political development of the 20th century has at least been a part fulfillment of something that Daniel wrote. Daniel is Watchtower's Nostradamus.
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  Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

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  Island Man

  The OT was written long before the prohibition on using the name YHWH developed. So there are many OT manuscripts that contain YHWH. But by the time of the writing of the NT, the prohibition on vocalizing and even spelling the name YHWH, had already taken firm hold among the Jews. So the Jewish founders of the Christian religion grew up in conformity with this prohibition and thus it is reflected in their NT writings, which are devoid of the name YHWH. Also, when their NT writings quote from OT passages that contain the name YHWH, they are quoting, not from Hebrew copies of the OT that contain YHWH, but from the Greek Septuagint translation of the OT which replaces YHWH with Lord. Thus the NT is devoid of YHWH because it was never in there to begin with.
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  I Think I have Found a Way to Litigate

  by Simon Templar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been thinking about how the wtb&t society bullies all of its members into submission with the threats they use (by practice), i.e.

  “if you do this we will df you and you will be shunned”.

  “if you da yourself, we will make an announcement and your friends, relatives and family will abandon you”, etc.

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  Island Man

  I beg to differ with the prevailing sentiment that it cannot be done. Many are looking at this issue as one of trying to legally force JWs to associate with ex-members. It doesn't have to be that way for it to work.

  Right now in many countries there are laws against inciting violent hatred toward groups of people. Such laws do not force everyone in the country to perform acts of kindness toward groups of persons. They only seek to prevent the public dissemination of hateful propaganda against groups.

  In a similar way, Watchtower can be called to account for unduly inciting JWs to shun their ex-JW relatives. The crux of the issue is Watchtower inciting the members against their ex-JW family - not forcing JWs to associate with their ex-JW relatives.

  JWs should have the right to freely choose whether or not they want to associate with their ex-JW relatives WITHOUT Watchtower inciting them not to and punishing them if they do. Most JWs shun their ex-JW relatives BECAUSE Watchtower tells them to and BECAUSE they face negative consequences if they refuse to comply.

  If Watchtower is called to account for its incitement and is legally restricted from such incitements and is barred from punishing members who choose to associate with their ex-JW relatives, then over time conditions will change such that far less JWs will be shunning their ex-JW relatives. But they will still have the freedom - true, unfettered freedom - to do so if they wish. Right now Watchtower is practically coercing JWs to shun their ex-JW relatives so they're not really doing it of their own free will free of all duress.

  So I think there is a case to be made but it has to be articulated the right way. It's not about forcing JWs to associate with ex-JW family. It's about punishing and halting Watchtower's use of undue influence to coerce JWs into shunning their ex-JW family. Yes no one can force JWs to associate with who they don't want to. So why does Watchtower get the right to force JWs to shun? It has to work both ways - no forcing either way.
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  Just curious about how faithful women are these days. Anybody know?

  by Alostpuppydog in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  so being someone who is not, however still believes around 70% of what the jw's talk about as far as the bible goes, ignoring the fact of no blood transfusions, shunning, etc.

  wt doctrines, i got this question.

  anybody really know how faithful 'worldly' (i use this term lightly 😉) women are these days?

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  Island Man

  It has often been said that the most common reason for a JW being disfellowshipped, is fornication. And the ones that get disfellowshipped are only the ones that get found out and were deemed unrepentant.

  Don't fool yourself! JWs aren't any more faithful sexually, than members from any other bible-believing church. The JWs are just a little better at hiding their naughty behavior due to the penalty of shunning; and due to the policy of secrecy surrounding judicial committees.
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  Shunning & separation from family

  by CJxfarmx in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was raised in jw as a child.

  my dad was a jw my mom was not, they are divorced now.

  i was never baptized or anything but i stopped going once i had the choice at age 12. now i am 41 and my dad will not associate with me, my wife or my 3 kids.

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  Island Man

  I'm sorry for your loss, though really it's his. You have a family, he has a cult a cult has him

  
  
  
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  Suspicious Attitude Toward Married Brothers...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is kind of different but i just wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this.

  it seems that younger married brothers are viewed with a certain level of suspicion in the congregation.

  it's like the elders can be friendly with everyone in the hall including younger sisters.

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  Island Man

  "ecclesiocracy". I love that word, schnell! I think that's the word I'm going to start using as a synonym for the JWs' "theocracy" or "theocratic arrangement" when in any conversation with them. And if they complain I can always mention letters from Watchtower's legal department that make mention of the "Ecclesiastical Government of Jehovah's Witnesses."
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  Pornography Question

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why is it ok to look at naked pictures/videos of your wife/husband but porn if you look at another man/woman naked?.

  if you happen to divorce your spouse is it then pornography if you look at naked/sex videos/pictures of them?.

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  Island Man

  Because ... Matthew 5:28. You might as well be asking:

  Why is it ok to have sex with your wife/husband but having sex with another man/woman is adultery/fornication?